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Poster: veblen Date: Oct 31, 2008 4:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: jerry shows from 1968...

does anyone have insight into these jerry shows from 1968:

68-05-21 carousel ballroom
68-07-28 ???
68-10-21 ??? (this is during the time of mickey and the hartbeats but I have 10-10; 10-30 and 12-16 for those shows)
68-12-24 matrix (jerry and friends)

any info on the performances, especially band members, would be welcomed.

just don't feel like searching much today...

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Poster: Bob Gnarley Date: Oct 31, 2008 5:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry shows from 1968...

a looong time ago, I got a cassette of 10/21/68.
It was labeled as Garcia, Casady, Hart and Dryden.
The setlist on my copy was: A.)Jams, B.) More Jams
I don't know if that's much help.I came across it in a recent move.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 31, 2008 6:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry shows from 1968...

Unfortunately these shows aren't in the Dead section here since they're considered "Jerry" tapes - these are mostly, as far as I recall, very unremarkable 12-bar blues jams - but here's some info:

5/21/68 Carousel Ballroom -
Jam [17:35] ; Good Shepherd [8:44] ; Jam [11:17] ; My Babe [7:29] ; My Baby Told Me [3:32] ; Key to the Highway [5:18]
This circulates as "Tuesday Night Jam" with: Jerry Garcia, Jorma Kaukonen, Jack Casady, Elvin Bishop, Steve Miller, Mickey Hart, and Will Scarlett.

7/28/68 Rancho Olompali
- 3/5 of a Mile in 10 Seconds Jam (29:50)
- Jerry Garcia, Jack Casady, Mickey Hart

10/21/68 - This is simply a mislabel for 12/16/68 (you can tell if it has two long 40-minute jams with Jack Casady). However, to confuse things, 12/24/68 and 10/28/69 have also circulated under this false date. These are a couple posts from a few years ago that illustrate how hard it is to date things:
http://www.mail-archive.com/deadlists@nemesis.cs.berkeley.edu/msg02848.html
http://www.mail-archive.com/deadlists@nemesis.cs.berkeley.edu/msg02865.html

12/24/68 Matrix - Jam [30:56]
The tapes circulating with this date are from a "Hartbeats" show, with Harvey Mandel. This jam has previously circulated as "Set 3" of 12/16/68.
The partial set formerly circulated, but this is the setlist for the complete recording, something like 90 minutes:
1. Jam (fades in)
2. You Got To Feel It
3. 3 O Clock In The Morning
4. She's A Mojo Worker
5. Jam (cut)
Guests: Harvey Mandel (guitar) , Elvin Bishop (guitar) , Steve Miller (organ) , Gordon Chambers (drums)

And don't forget:
10-28-1969 Jefferson Airplane House, San Francisco, CA
Jam Session
1. Been All Around This World [04:00]
2. Big Boss Man [06:28]
3. Jam (Stormy Monday Theme) [13:57]
4. Slow Blues [07:19]
5. Jam [05:28]
6. Jam [19:19]
Total: [56:34]
Jerry Garcia - Guitar
Jorma Kaukonen - Guitar
Jack Cassady - Bass
Mickey Hart - Percussion
Spencer Dryden - Percussion

And of course you'll know about this one:
12/15/70 Matrix - Garcia & Friends
SET 1 - [45:44] [0:45] ; Alabama Bound [4:13] ; Eight Miles High Instrumental [4:27] ; Eight Miles High [3:53] ; Cowboy Movie [8:32] ; [1:32] ; Wall Song [7:39] ; [1:52] ; Bertha [9:19] ; Bird Song [3:32]
SET 2 - [1:07:50] Drop Down Mama [4:06] ; [0:21] ; Cowboy Movie [9:42] ; [1:10] % Triad [9:39] ; [0:05] % Wall Song [7:49] ; [0:42] ; Bertha [4:06] ; [1:09] ; Deep Elem Blues [6:48] ; [2:23] ; Motherless Children [8:38] ; [0:33] ; Laughing [10:18] ; [0:21]
This is Crosby, Garcia, Lesh & Hart, sometimes known as David And The Dorks. SET 1 is an afternoon rehearsal and soundcheck. SET 2 is the live set.
The first four tunes are all Crosby's. The Jam out of Triad is choice. Bertha is a very early version with a few bungled lyrics. Deep Elem Blues is a unique arrangement heavily influenced by Crosby's rhythm guitar.

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Poster: Beantown Stevo Date: Nov 1, 2008 1:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry shows from 1968...

After reading that reference to Thunderbird, I found this link on-line because I wanted to know what it was. I especially like the part at the end where it mentions, " this light yellow liquid turns your lips and mouth black! A mysterious chemical reaction similar to disappearing-reappearing ink makes you look like you've been chewing on hearty clumps of charcoal." I mean, what's not to like?
http://www.bumwine.com/tbird.html

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Nov 1, 2008 8:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: jerry shows from 1968...

Interesting, none of those dates are ones I've bookmarked... I did bookmark 2 versions of 1968-10-20, a day earlier than one of those you listed.

(Here's the Charlie Miller upgrade:)
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1968-10-20.sbd.miller.9071.shnf

BTW, check out this recently added dateless gig from the merry month of May 1968:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1968-05-00.sbd.currier.5427.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: veblen Date: Oct 31, 2008 10:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Live at Unknown on 1968-05-00...

going through these one by one...but don't know if I can get past the Live at Unknown on 1968-05-00...I really am loving this performance...the keys are turned up and it is a fine example of pigpen having his moments...I don't think I have heard that many recordings with pigpen's organ so prominent and part of the musical interplay...the rest of the band must have been looking at him wondering why he doesn't always play like that...

the st stephen is cut but what remains is very sweet...very organ based...actually the keys are prominent in just every tune...I guess the thunderbird was going down well that eve...

check it out and enjoy...

next, the other three disks of light into ashes req...

This post was modified by veblen on 2008-11-01 05:14:43

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 31, 2008 7:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: more 1968...

"BTW, check out this recently added dateless gig from the merry month on May 1968" -

BTW CPW, this is the same show as disc 1 of the 'unknown '68 reels' set:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd68-xx-xx.sbd.vernon.9426.sbeok.shnf
A lot of this set isn't so "unknown" - disc 2 comes from 2/15/69 and 2/3/68, and disc 3 is said to be 8/21/68 (haven't checked myself but the times & cuts match up). Disc 4 is where the real unknowns are.

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Poster: veblen Date: Nov 2, 2008 2:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: more 1968...

so I am listening to some more of this 1968 filler or at least that is how I find it among my stuff...

anyway, the st stephens clocking in at 7:37 and 8:20 are both 68 masterpieces that must be heard...

Is there a known date for these two?

I looked at 08-22 and 08-23 and the the times of those are much shorter than 7:37...

this probably already has been discussed but both versions have a lot in common with 06-14...one reviewer even mentions that the 7:37 version sounds like a cleaner version of 06-14...I need to do the comparison but the 7:37 version does jam and fly in the same manner...the 06-14 is shown as being shorter but as noted, I haven't done any true comparison yet...

the dark star (16:07) and 8:20 st stephen will bring a big smile as well...

I do need to confirm the show that these gems are from...







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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 2, 2008 5:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: more 1968...

Mr Tell also raves about those St Stephens, you're not alone....
But as mentioned, disc 4 of that set really is unknown - I'm not sure even what month those two excerpts are from.

As for Pigpen's playing, it seems to me he quieted or toned down in later '68. His keyboards are up-front in a lot of the early '68 Anthem shows, but at least from August, he seems more subdued (at least from what I remember). I'd guess this is due to band discussions, the others may have felt that he was holding them back or not really able to join in the jams, so he had to step back a bit. (And of course, he was kicked out for a while in October, and they got a new keyboard player in November.)